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I could have done any of a number of worlds for this but I picked the fantasy (dieselpunk?) world from one of my nano's (2011 I think) Voluntary Nightmare. This world is the one that stumps me the most so I thought this might help me to clarify a few things or finally drive me around the bend into full on insanity, whatever comes first.

In true confessions time, I still haven’t fully imagined the land yet. It varies in my head from day to day from a large island like New Zealand to a smaller isolated continent like Australia. The royal city is coastal but mountainous, which quickly levels into thick forest to the south east of it. While the kingdom encompasses all of the land from the sea over the mountains and to the forest and beyond into the small grasslands and interior desert, after the war, the Tasiana members of the kingdom tend to live either the grasslands or, more preferably, the coast/mountainous regions. The Yaarians are left in the vast woodlands. Almost no one lives in the desert.

The coast enjoys a temperate oceanic climate giving way to a ‘Mediterranean’ climate with good seasonal rainfalls and snowfalls in the higher points of the mountains. The forests range from temperate deciduous, which is the bulk of them, to temperate rainforest to taiga as one goes north. (If the country goes north enough to have a tundra or south enough to have a sub/tropical area, it has yet to inform me thusly). Spain, Italy, France, Germany or even Chile would all be good references for the bulk of the country. The grasslands are put to good agricultural use with both cattle and grains being raised. Sheep and goats are kept in the mountains. Very little is done with the interior desert being a bleak place for most life forms. The king would have pushed the Yaarians there if he thought he could have done it without destroying his crop lands.

The coastal region is not particularly prone to hurricanes or tsunamis, but it can’t be entirely ruled out. The more severe weather happens either high in the mountains during snowfall or out in the grasslands where tornados are a possibility. The temperate rainforests in the more northern reaches does tend to live up to its name with daily rains (ala Seattle).

The highlights of the kingdom are the 13 star cities, each named for and housing one of the thirteen Living Goddesses. The majority of the star cities are coastal/mountainous with two in the grasslands, one north and one south and one in the woodlands, which have always been ancestrally the Yaarians who do not follow the Living Goddess faith. The desert holds no star city. Each star city’s main feature is the temple complex for the Living Goddesses and the temples are the main tourist designations. All of them have major train routes to and from them (with the three outliers being more difficult to get to but there is still a train), especially as it is a common thing to make a pilgrimage to the goddess who governs whatever a person is having trouble with.

A decade ago where someone came from didn’t matter all that much with the kingdom at harmony but even then those following the Living Goddess faith (The Tasiana) were still found in along the coast, mountains and grasslands and the Yaarians have always been more prone to make their homes in the woodlands and grasslands. They’ve been driven into the deep woods since the war with some exceptions. There is a village not tremendously far from the royal city (Militant Star City, named for the Savaria-Militant, the war aspect of the goddess) but it’s left alone, considered thoroughly broken by the military. In the last ten years travel is very restricted for the Yaarians (who tend to look more Nordic and stand out among the Tasiana who look more Mediterranean or Indian). They tend not to travel out of their town at all but have foot paths through the woods that interconnect their villages.

I wanted to draw a map. Three things stopped me. 1. I can’t draw 2. I ran out of time to pretend I could draw 3. Of all the things eluding me in this story, the geography is the worst offender. I’ll just flat out admit it. I tend to impose the geography in a post hoc fashion. It will come to me, probably about the time I start revisions on draft one.


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Date: 2013-01-29 12:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com
Sigh, a writing blogfest I'd love to participate in and can't, since my world is the putative real world. San Francisco, just with a hidden subculture or two. I am working on world-building, but it's a different sort of challenge than making your world up from scratch.

Date: 2013-01-29 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
we definitely have people doing this with the same issues as you. They're expounding on those differences but i decided I didn't want to do that (since I do have worlds like that)

Date: 2013-01-29 04:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com
It's a common situation for urban fantasy. You still need to world-build, but it's about what fantastical things inhabit your modern Earth setting, where they tend to hang out, what their subcultures are like, etc.

Date: 2013-01-29 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
exactly. I chose the book I did because it's half way to stuck and I'm trying to move it along.

Date: 2013-01-29 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elasg.livejournal.com
A map, even a poorly drawn one, would probably be a big help. You say your coastal regions are mountainous, though coastal mountains tend to be volcanic in nature and occur in the subduction zone at the edge of a tectonic plate. If that is the case, you would likely have some sort of mid ocean ridge feature at the opposite side of the continent (a piece of land big enough to have both subtropical, temperate and taiga zones would likely be a continent). Other than that, it looks OK. :)
Edited Date: 2013-01-29 02:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-01-29 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
well it doesn't have subtropics and yeah it is volcanic but i forgot to mention it (probably because I couldn't imagine anything more uninspiring than this particular topic. thanks though.

Date: 2013-01-29 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elasg.livejournal.com
LOL! Well, being in natural resources tends to make you a geek about this stuff. And even if you find it uninspiring, there's nothing more jolting than reading something that you know is not possible (ie. crown fires in temperate forests) even if you're likely the only one reading it who would have that particular suspension of disbelief.

Date: 2013-01-29 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
hahaha yes it would and I would like it to be as accurate as possible. I'll be honest I copied 90% of it directly from what Chile has. i don't know why

Date: 2013-01-29 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elasg.livejournal.com
I once beta'ed a story by a friend who was writing a hobbit story placed in the Shire in Middle Earth. She was from somewhere out west and wrote in a forest fire like those she had experienced. She based the entire story premise on it but it never occured to her that that kind of event wouldn't happen in the type of woodlands you'd find in England. As I told her, the only person who'd likely read it and even notice the problem was me. ;)

Date: 2013-01-29 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
good point. I see that all the time with medical crap that just wouldn't happen that way.

Date: 2013-01-30 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elasg.livejournal.com
Yes, so you understand. I'm pretty lenient towards it because I realize I look at these things from a different perspective than pretty much everyone in fandom, but I know how much I'd prefer having all my details, even those I'm not as familiar with, as correct as possible.

I'll have to pick your brain sometime about the medical stuff. I tend to write from a 'victim's viewpoint and remain as fuzzy as I can on the stuff I'm not familiar with, but it would be nice to know I wasn't completely off base with something I was writing.

Date: 2013-01-30 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
I'm always fine with that. If I don't know it, I can look it up. I'm oddly good with wounding our characters

Date: 2013-01-30 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elasg.livejournal.com
Oddly, so I am... well, I don't know if I'm good or just a sick puppy... ;)

Date: 2013-01-30 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
hahaha I try not to think too hard on that part

Date: 2013-01-30 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamie fessenden (from livejournal.com)
There might be non-volcanic mountains, if it's on a tectonic plate boundary.

Date: 2013-01-30 04:13 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-01-30 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elasg.livejournal.com
Yes, that is what I said. You can get both non-volcanic uplift mountains like the Himalayans, and the more traditional kind at these kinds of plate boundaries. Since it sounded like she was referencing Chile (which she later confirmed), I know its mountains are both volcanic in origin and being uplifted - due to subduction of the Nazca plate under the South American one - and there are hotspots and active cones enough throughout the region to confirm it.

Date: 2013-01-29 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winters-queen.livejournal.com
Yeah. I need to draw my maps. Nice thing is I can use world maps but I need to sit down and redo boundaries.

Date: 2013-01-29 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
ah well yes, that would be helpful. it would also help if I could SEE this damn world in my head

Date: 2013-01-29 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaia-lulia.livejournal.com
I also tend to do geography in a post-hoc way. You seem to have your city arrangements worked out pretty well, though.

Date: 2013-01-29 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
only because i've gotten to that part of the story. I'm now realizing if there are no other kingdoms why in the hell do they have a standing military... hmmm guess there ARE other lands.

Date: 2013-01-29 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaia-lulia.livejournal.com
Hmmm... Must be. :) It's touchy to make everything line up when doing a fantasy world...

Date: 2013-01-29 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
it is. I mean the other lands have nothing to do with the story but they must exist or they'd have no army unless to protect the rulers from the people which is always a possibility

Date: 2013-01-29 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaia-lulia.livejournal.com
If that was the case, you'd probably call them a police force, though. Which, mind, could be cool. Scary oppressive police forces are interesting.
Edited Date: 2013-01-29 06:22 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-01-29 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
true

actually I'm trying to come up with a ranking system that isn't general colonel etc. but can't find one i like and didn't think making up one would be good for reader comprehension

though in this case they aren't an oppressive force. The kingdom until the last decade had been pretty fair

Date: 2013-01-29 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaia-lulia.livejournal.com
Well, then they're just the police.

The police force in my country is oppressive as shit so I have that on the brain.

Date: 2013-01-30 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
they decided today there is a mainland. I dunno

Date: 2013-01-30 01:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sholio
This sounds completely fascinating to me! :) I love complicated secondary-world fantasy that's not just "pseudo-medieval England", but has a lot of actual thought and detail behind the world-building.

Date: 2013-01-30 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
thank you very much

Date: 2013-01-30 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evil-little-dog.livejournal.com
I like this! You've got a good handle on some of it, I think.

Date: 2013-01-30 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
well that's good. Elsag brings up several good points

Date: 2013-01-30 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evil-little-dog.livejournal.com
Yes, she and [livejournal.com profile] tinhutlady made some comments on mine, as well.

Date: 2013-01-30 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
i'll have to go look

Date: 2013-01-30 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wildrider.livejournal.com
I, too, can't draw a map. Fortunately, my world can make good use of Google Maps. :)

I noticed she changed the schedule some -- I was all prepared with "history and government" and suddenly I see it's geography and climate.

So I'm even a day behind...

Date: 2013-01-30 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
this is true.

Yeah I had it prepared too and then I saw a friends and had to scramble (and honestly not my real interest geography I hate to say)

Date: 2013-01-30 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ext-1623311.livejournal.com (from livejournal.com)
Dieselpunk...I am intrigued! Nothing wrong with admitting you don't have the world fully developed yet, hopefully the fest will help. I'm useless at drawing maps too and totally jealous of all the cool maps I've seen through the hop.

Date: 2013-01-30 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ext-1623311.livejournal.com (from livejournal.com)
BTW, I don't know why I show up as "ext_1623311". This is Sharon Bayliss. :)

Date: 2013-01-30 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
it does that if you don't have an LJ account (and LJ is just strange sometimes)

Date: 2013-01-30 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
I'm jealous of those maps too!

And yes, that's exactly why I jointed the fest (and if I had more time I probably wouldn't have done more than one world of mine) I needed to flesh it out.

Yes I was informed if it had a certain level of tech then it's dieselpunk but it has magic too so...I don't know what genre it really is

Date: 2013-02-04 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ext-1633716.livejournal.com (from livejournal.com)
I have a map, but it was scribbled, erased, coffeed on, wrinkled and crinkled. So, yeah. Not very helpful. I cheated and used it as a time to talk about the magical creatures one might encounter : )

Date: 2013-02-05 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
there you go. I should have thought of something like that.

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