Yeah the icon sums it up

[cornerofmadness]

And worn out would also be good, and angry at being pulled in a lot of different directions. I'm pissed at having to trebel my efforts to keep in touch with people I want to stay in touch with, of having to create new journals just to do this (No, not pissed at those who jumped ship but at them being put in the position that they feel they can't stay any longer, pissed at the ham-handed way LJ has been handling everything).

Especially since i see this as futile anyhow. Maybe yes, it's me being pessimistic (which I am, no doubts of it) but to me, it's not a matter of if this censorship problem follows us, but a matter of when. And as i've said before, I honestly don't expect the people running the other journals to handle it any better. I'm older than a lot of other people in fandom. Some of us remember the paper zine days. I've been at conventions where I've seen actors and writers literally trash a vendor stand, rip up the paper zines of things they thought weren't right (mostly either fanfic that was forbidden, NOT all authors allow it and they WILL sue you, i know i've personally got a cease and desist letter when one author changed her mind about allowing it and i was running the group, or slash fanfic when the author and/or actors disliked it, thinking of Blake 7 and Robin Hood) Censorship in fandom isn't new. It isn't right, mind you, but it's not new and it's not going to just leave because we all go to greatest journal or insane journal. Eventually, we'll have to fight this battle again. I've been in fandom 30 years this year so don't fault me for trusting in my experience about this topic.

so what's the upshot of all this bitching and me repeating crap I've said before. I'm now cornerofmadness at insane journal too. Not at greatest journal...yet. It will probably come. BUt right now I can't do three journals. I dont even WANT to. I wanted to cut my time at the computer not treble it but half my list went to one and half to the other and hopefull most did both so I won't lose someone for good. i hate this. I really do and was thinking about something someone on my list said about the next time this happens in one of those new communities (someone with as much fan experience as I), hmmm, time to go back to paper.

Comments

[dknightshade.livejournal.com]

It's frustrating, isn't it? I know several people talking about going, some who've moved their fanfic to other services. Some camps going one way other camps going another.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

i'm not leaving here though. And honestly most of my fanfic will soon be moved BACK to my website (we're still paying for it so we OUGHT to use the dumb thing) but yeah, when they're going everywhere and knowing how fandom goes, knowing that its just a stop gap (unless I'm wrong, i WANT to be wrong) it's all the more frustrating

[dknightshade.livejournal.com]

I read up a little bit about it (although not much because I'm trying to stay worksafe on my work laptop here) but it seems like even going back to websites is only a stop gap before website providers get nervous too. Someone had a list of proposed bills in Congress related to this sort of thing and it's scary. If any of them pass, things will have to change a lot.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

that is very scary

[chaos-by-design.livejournal.com]

This is all making me think about starting a much bigger, adult-oriented archive. I'm thinking that the internet can be a good thing for fandom but we really need our own space more than anything else. And as long as we're on LJ or GJ or IJ, we won't be on our own space.

But yeah, I agree that censorship will no doubt follow fandom. I guess I haven't been taking the latest exodus quite as seriously as perhaps I should have, since people often make a lot of noise about leaving LJ when the management does something they don't like, and then a few months later everything's back to normal thanks to the power of social networks and inertia.

Feh.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

power of social networks and inertia certainly will keep me here (though paying for my journal will probably stop)

there are adult archives but they get SO little reviews there i stopped putting my stuff up since it wasn't worth the effort thinking of adultfanfic and gah i can't even remember what the other one was now

[chaos-by-design.livejournal.com]

Yes, any adult archive would need to be promoted much better.

I pay for my journal mainly to get the icons. Yes, I'm sad.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

that's the only reason i pay for mine too but i'm thinking they don't need my money.

hey, what kind of picture files are your roy mood themes? I wanted to look at them before uploading them but couldn't

[chaos-by-design.livejournal.com]

they're just regular jpegs. why, you couldn't open the zip file? :/

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

i could open the zip file but neither my computer here or back at my parents recognized them as jpegs... hang on... okay tonight it says jpeg (i could have sworn it said some file i had never heard of) but it cannot open them. I can open the zip and see the mood names but i can't click on them and see them. I havent' tried to upload to photobucket without looking at them

[chaos-by-design.livejournal.com]

weird. what program do you usually use to look at image files?

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

i see this NEVER posted even though I tried about 8 times. At home it's the shit program that came with the Dell, Jasc paint shop and at Dad's place it was Kodak easy share

[rahirah]

Check out fanarchive.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

thanks!

[masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com]

I'm squatting on my name at GJ and IJ, but I don't write in those journals. I have a couple GJ entries from blackout days at LJ, nothing more. I friended you at IJ just for the hell of it.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

okay. honestly, i don't plan on doing much posting there...unless i figure out what this 'crossposting' is (if it'sdoing both at once then maybe) mostly it's for fic. While most of my fiction is hardly going to be targeted, there are a few that are borderline (looking at you Fruits Basket)

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

uh the piece of shit that came with this Dell which is Jasc paint shop and on my dad's it was kodak something or other. i should put them on the pen drive and see what it does at work

[lyricnonsense.livejournal.com]

I think it's the poor customer service that annoys me more than anything. Considering my fandom sphere is pretty small, I think I'll stay put (though some may argue that since I've only been here a year or so, I can most easily pull up roots and head out).

But I am thinking very hard about downgrading to basic instead of Sponsored. Right this moment I don't want to give them even the minute amount of revenue ads on my journals generate. Six icons... is that enough?

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

that's what I'm telling myself about my icons.

and yes the customer service IS what annoys me. They have the right to limit whatever they want. They could go like fanfiction.net and make it R rated and under and that's their right but they have to do better on giving warning, and explaining what is and isn't acceptible

and Insanejournal has no ed/winry comm at leaast not one that comes up with a fullmetal alchemist search. No Maes/Roy either. Well at least there's Royai

flamingly_fey here, this is an RP journal

[mollyforeva.livejournal.com]

You're right. It's an endless cycle.

But try telling that to the bright-eyed kids who got into fandom with Naruto's US release. Even in the nine years that I've had net access and things to obsess over, I've seen this kind of argument happen way too many times.

I'm not leaving. And I write my stuff out longhand anyway.

Re: flamingly_fey here, this is an RP journal

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

exactly so

[0-mother-0.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry you guys are having to go through all that, but I'm glad you'll be sticking around LJ. (What would we do without you? Hey, is ELD staying as well?) And, you're right, best to stand and fight on familiar ground.

[evil-little-dog.livejournal.com]

ELD isn't going anywhere. *laughs*


(basically 'cause she's lazy.)

[0-mother-0.livejournal.com]

Yay! And yeah, I'm lazy too. I've got nice 'ass groove' at LJ - ya know, like a comfortable chair.

[evil-little-dog.livejournal.com]

Me, too!

[ishte.livejournal.com]

I'm the noob around most of this gang.. .but I'm not going anywhere... if I really feel the need to do some intense 16 year old EdxWin for some reason, I can post it somewhere else and link in. I probably would have anyway rather than post it here. I need to seriously revamp Wordhaven... wish someone wasn't squatting on my damn domain.

[ishte.livejournal.com]

Note: this is not to imply that I Think what LJ is doing is right... I think that when 6A bought the service from the creator the they have pretty much gone right against all the concepts the creator originally intended for his journal. I think that censoring fan writings about fictional characters because some radical activist group is offended, while allowing groups that are enablers to real self destructive groups, (for example another friend of mine pointed to an anorexia/bulimia enablement groups (not a support group of people with this disorder trying to get better.. .but a support group of people with this disorder trying to call it normal.) this is all backwards.

However, that said, I'm not going anywhere... anywhere I went this bs is just going to follow... everything eventually gets sold to the highest bidder, and the highest bidder is eventually a big uncaring corporation who is not intersted in the people who make it happen, but in the bottom dollar... LJ will see though that they'll loose money as paying customers choose over and over to return to their initial 6 icons and just deal.

As far as customization, have have seen very few additional layouts for a paid account, and really nothing a paid account can do with the layouts I use that a freebie can't do... so I design my layouts specifically to have 6 icons anyway. *shrug*

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

may come to see you about layouts when i let the paid expire.

and yes there are a lot of groups like that (and journals where real life people talk about their very questionable practices) that are allowed where fiction is not

[evil-little-dog.livejournal.com]

I think minor x minor isn't the problem; it's minor x adult. I dunno.

But yeah; getting my stuff into Geekgirlz is hopefully the next step.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

minorXadult is probably the problem but look at the recent court case in GA, he's what 17 and she's 15 and they did what teens do and now he has a sex offender rap that will dog him for the rest of his life. The zero tolerance thing is getting a tad...narrow

[evil-little-dog.livejournal.com]

Oh, missed that.

I could be appalled if he was 17 and she was...14 or younger. Was listening to the radio today about a woman's crisis about her youngest child looking far older than her sister and her sister's friends wanting to date the younger child...who was 14...and sister's friends were 17 and older.

...ewww.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

nods i can see that

[evil-little-dog.livejournal.com]

Oh, I can too, that's the problem.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

yeah we're both staying (I might go back to basic though) and just found out for all the lip service everyone's giving to Insane journal as THE fanfic place there's practically NO communities for the fanfic i write

[stars91.livejournal.com]

I'm stars91 at insanejournal but it will only house my fic so it doesn't get lost. I have no desire to leave LJ, only as a last resort. Feel free to friend over there though!

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

yeah that's mostly what i'm going to use it for too. I will and feel free to do the same

[mulzrule.livejournal.com]

I've never heard of those journals before, but maybe I'll check them out. I'll just stay here though since I hardly post at all.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

yeah if yo don't post fanfic right now this wouldn't directly effect you

[anguisel.livejournal.com]

The only reason I created a IJ account was because of crappy customer service. I'd like it to be clear about what I can/can't post. Just putting, 'anything that isn't illegal' doesn't really cut it for me since so many areas have different laws and ideas of what's legal and not. I'll probably stay on here at LJ, since I've had the journal for two years. Even though I hate Myspace, I just wish 6A would take their approach and tell us straight out what's going on instead of leaving us in the dark. I get the feeling this is something they weren't expecting and have no clue what to do and panicked like school girls...

MUSES: Is panicked spelt like that? Hmmmmmmmm

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

definitely having a TOS that was clear would help but in signing up for IJ i noticed that they have identical EVERYTHING to LJ

[kashicat.livejournal.com]

I still say we ought to start collecting names of the complainers and tattle-tailers, and go after them. Aggressively. For offending us.

Meanwhile, I'm glad so many of my favorite writers are sticking around here. Thank you! :-)

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

i'd like to send them over to the ACLU

[ishte.livejournal.com]

Ee... that's it.. lets strike back... start sending THEIR servers threatening emails saying we'll have their advertising and so on pulled if they continue to allow offensive radicals to use their servers to attack poor fan writers.. yus! Someone start a list.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

i thought of that last time too but notice the laziness is actually doing anything