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[cornerofmadness]

Talked to the lawyer. I'm probably SOL about the student loans but he thinks I still deserve something for my hand. He'll look into the case which is further than I've ever gotten. Mom asked did you tell him you hurt your back too? No, I forgot. I DID hurt my back and was off on workman's comp for a while and it's been hurting me ever since. WHen I get all my paperwork together nad see him again I'll ask about that too. It's probably NOT going to be a lot of money but what it is I'll put towards my new loans. Screw the med. school ones. I'll default and live with the consequences. My grandmother is likely to sell me her house anyhow since I might need it.

UPS got the boxes here already. They CRUSHED half of them. Bush Beans sent me something for nearly poisoning me with a stone/bone. Not sure what. I haven't opened it yet.

My fish in the swimming pool were under ice this morning. Poor fishes.

 

Oh and apropos of nothing, I'm looking for what in the heck do Angel/Buffy have in common interest wise (besides each other). It occurs to me that Buffy has shared no interests with any of her boyfriends that I'm aware of beyond the physical. I need this for my IWRY story. I know the two diasterous dates. The only one I know is ice skating but that wasn't really what I was looking for...or is it. Hmmmm.

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[dlgood.livejournal.com]

I'm looking for what in the heck do Angel/Buffy have in common interest wise (besides each other).

I'm sure movies could work. Angel, I'm sure, probably saw everything that came out between 1930 and 1970. Theatres are dark and he had lots of time to kill.... Buffy, we know, likes cheesy ice-skating movies but critiques action flicks. Angel is into the wine & cheese films, but is also secretly kind of a dork too. There may be some other option. You can try to do something wacky with that.

Otherwise, I'd think about carnivals or amusement parks. I can certainly see both having fun there. Or Buffy laughing at Angel when he freaks out on a rollercoaster or something.

To be honest, I'm not entirely certain what Buffy is into, but you could work with it. Depending upon time frame, maybe she develop some residual art/cultural appreciation as legacy of being Joyce's daughter. Also - BtVS-5 seemed to indicate a Buffy that had a growing interest in History/Academics that she could perhaps want to share with Angel...

[bashipforever.livejournal.com]

They have absolutely nothing in common... if you don't count soulmates *sappy BA shipper alert* They did however have a lot in common as far as the big picture. The fight the good fight, sacrifice, destiny. Angel understood that better then any of her other boyfriends I think.

Don't know if that helps at all.

[bashipforever.livejournal.com]

And I agree with everything here. I think all of this could work pretty easily. Angel is pretty open to anything Buffy wants to do I think. For him it's not about what they're doing, it's that -they're- doing it together.

[stephanierb.livejournal.com]

I think movies are your best bet, even though they had that disaster with "Banquet de Amelie" or whatever. And I think Angel would probably critique action flicks just as much as Buffy would, so I could see them bonding over that.

And you could always wank it a bit, since we don't really know for sure what they do and don't like. For all we know, Buffy developed a taste for art while living in Rome, so they could go to a museum together. I also like Dave's idea of a carnival; you could have Angel win Buffy all kinds of prizes, even though it's kinda cheating. ;-)

Things Buffy and Angel have in common.. or at least I think..

[vampedvixen.livejournal.com]

-they were both the leaders of their demon fighting groups
-Tai Chi
-admires different kinds of weapons
-mint fudge cookie dough ice cream
-each spent a lot of time hanging out with Cordelia (and I guess the other scoobies.. though probably more time with Cordy)
-both of them probably have memories of Dawn that never really happened
-had sex with Spike (heh.. okay, probably not.. but maybe.. at least in my head they did)

Re: Things Buffy and Angel have in common.. or at least I think..

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

Yeah Spike seems to think that happened to. We'll be ignoring that for this story at any rate.

THis is a help. Thanks

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the help. Art's come into the story already (Angel's disappointed he didn't get to go to the art gallery so they MAY do that)

I could get off my butt and look up romantic things to do in Cleveland but I lived there 4 years and can't think of ONE

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

Good point. I'm looking at here, more CAN we sustain a long term relationship if we have nothing in common so I want THEM digging in their hearts to find something they do like to do together

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

That does help but the first part helps to. It's for the sequel to the Common Good of LIfe and I don't want one stupid FLUFF piece in the middle of all that angst so him worrying they have nothing in common helps.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

I'll be doing the carnival thing in another story and have done the roller coaster but that's a great idea too.

Movies are good...safe. You know the problem is Buffy HAS no darn interests other than ice skating. The art thing could work and would tie into what I've already started.

Just googled romantic things to do in Cleveland...and they're all outside of the city. Well I lived there for 4 years so that doesn't surprise me.

[dlgood.livejournal.com]

Presumably, she in fact does have interests. Unfortunately, the writers appeared to never actually dwell on the questions of "what does Buffy want" so we have no concrete ideas as to what they are and thus have to invent some.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

You are so right. So, that means I can invent whatever the heck I want. Yeah pretty much outside of cheering and ice skating I can't think of anything she really liked...outsideof movie night with W/X.

[dlgood.livejournal.com]

If nothing else, you can make the story about the various things they try to do, that do or do not work. Both of them have some sort of sense of humor, so if nothing else, you can make the story about how much fun they have doing stuff together even if it's stuff one or the other doesn't like.

Perhaps there's some overlap -- Buffy likes the figure skating, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that she might be somewhat interested in something like ballet or opera. If nothing else, you can get mileage out of the differing reactions. Or send them to a sporting event -- like minor league hockey. It's kind of like figure skating, with weapons.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

I think Angel came out as a hockey fan didn't he? Too early in the year for that story wise though. I've got the ideas in my head now. Like I said, have to avoid fluff. This is part of a series and a sudden burst of happiness will be very off putting

[makd.livejournal.com]

I think they are both artists....In OMWF, Buffy is drawing a charcoal picture when Giles tells her it's time to train.

I think that's about it, no? Buffy's not too sharp about the boy-friend and common interests thing, I think. I suspect you're correct the physical thing is, for her, paramount. Also that her boyfriends be very good looking. (Although I dearly love Spike, I must share that sometimes he looks NOT attractive at all.....and I think that his attractiveness comes from the fact that when he loves, he loves so intensely.)

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

I totally missed Buffy drawing so I'll have to go look that up. Thanks. I know Dawn was into art and obviously Angel.

Seriously, they didn't give Buffy much dimension in the outside interest realm. Me, I thought Spike was attractive looking however James started really showing his age in S7 of Buffy. Then again I seem to find short slender men attractive. (Spike, Connor, Goth God on Joan of Arcadia)

It's looking like art is the way to go.

[aaronlisa.livejournal.com]

hmmm besides both being fighters for good, that's about it. And having a dark side and both having experience their pure id I Think that's about it.

[fickledame.livejournal.com]

I think she was actually colouring in an entire bit of paper with a black pen.

But I could be wrong.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

sadly the transcript doesnt' say.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

thanks. I know. That seems to be causing my brain a problem.

[marenfic.livejournal.com]

Well, they share a whole lot in common in my opinion-- they fight demons and that's both of their main purposes in life. They enjoy the fight, they're athletic, they train, etc. Sure, we didn't really get a good insight into Buffy's extracurricular interests but that's because she didn't have a lot of time for it. In my view, I see Buffy as a writer and generally creative person-- we know that she journaled and was drawing at least once. Angel is also creative. They enjoy sports on ice ;), movies, etc. Plus, the possibilities for post-series Buffy are really endless. We saw Angel after 250+ years of developing different interests-- when he was Buffy's age in Galway, he didn't seem to like to do much other than drink and screw and I doubt he was reading great literature and going to operas. We saw Buffy as a high schooler and college-age woman. I have no doubt that her interests would grow and expand as she gains more life-experience-- just like Angel did.

I think the argument that Buffy and Angel wouldn't work because they have nothing in common is ludicrous (not that you're saying that-- I'm just taking it there). They actually share the most significant part of their lives-- their world view and life mission-- in common and they complement one another in personality areas. Both are independent, dominant people and would probably need some personal space so being in a relationship with someone who wanted to do *everything* with them would be stifling. In addition, other than pre-college Buffy making fun of Angel for his reading materials, there really isn't any evidence that they don't like the things the other does or that they couldn't grow to share common interests if they actually had any time to devote to hobbies rather than keeping the world safe.

The biggest predictors of failed relationships are differences in opinion on major worldviews and fights about finances-- not how many extracurricular interests the couple holds in common. I don't read sports books or watch hockey on television, and my husband doesn't read/write fanfic or shop crazily for shoes and handbags. But we hold common values and beliefs and are compatible on the "big stuff". That's what's important and those things are true of B/A IMO.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the input. Your agrument is probably the one Angel is going to be holding with himself.

Though I think Liam did read something. He made a comment once to Connor when he gave him 'books he liked at Connor's age.' and I'm thinking WTF? Is he giving the kid Swift? Henry Fielding? Shakespeare? Liam could read?

I'm pretty sure I know where the story is going to go now. IT was tough finding something romantic to do in Cleveland (which having lived there I should have rememebered that) but I did find something.

Now back to nanomo and pray I have TIME for this story or Leni will kill me.

[marenfic.livejournal.com]

See, I'm thinking he must have given Connor a little porn/erotica. I just don't see Liam having the same cultural interests that Angel developed.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

SNORT! Okay that is even funnier. Here's some 18th cen. porn, son, knock yourself out. Do I even KNOW any 18th' century porn to use that idea? 19th century sure, have some in the collection. Guess that leaves Angel giving Connor the Marquis de Sade's Justine.

[marenfic.livejournal.com]

Ewww, that's kind of Oedipal in a Justine-was-supposed-to-be-his-hellmommy kind of way.

There's lots of 18th cen. stuff out there- just do a search. I sooooo want to see you work that into Edge of E.

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

Yeah I thought that just as I hit send... Justine is DULL work too. I've read it...well parts of it. It was blindingly stupid.

I'm probably going to have to work that into the Edge of E aren't i?

[fickledame.livejournal.com]

I'll watch it for you later and report back :)

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

thank you.

[fickledame.livejournal.com]

Yes, it's a black pen and she seems to just be colouring in the whole page black, but still, it's a start!

[cornerofmadness.livejournal.com]

THANKS!