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cornerofmadnessI have my computer ordered. Should be here within a week. It's a Dell.
Even better news it looks like my friend was able to pull off ALL my data off the old hard drive. While the computer wasn't savable, the hard drive might be. He's going to try and make it a slave in the new one. He recovered four gig of info and put it on a dvd (which I can't play here at work so I'm not sure if everything was recovered or not). I'm a happy girl.
Mom and Grandma gave me halloween candy for the kids. I didn't want to take it. They insisted. Now I have like 5 bags of candy. I live in the middle of nowhere. It's literally miles to another house from my complex. There's 3 kids there. Probably bring it to class with me.
I swear I'm considering writing a story just to be spiteful to a couple of readers who can't figure out that I'm not primarily a B/A writer and insist on bashing any character that has a thought besides B/A when I'm writing them.
Questions for you all.
1. Okay this one is strange but is Illyria's outfit part of her or is it actual clothing. I thought she just appeared with it on.
2. This is for my Spuffy friends. I've seen various ways of working around B/A's problems but how is Girl in Question handled by Spuffy writers? I'm just curious what they tend to make (or not make) of Spike saying he knows Buffy doesn't love or want him. (really this has to be the worst episode ever)
3. Given the season I've been thinking about the Halloween episode of Buffy. Is it me or does Ethan's words to Giles seem to indicate there might be more wicked doings outside of Eyghon? Has anyone ever speculated on that?
Even better news it looks like my friend was able to pull off ALL my data off the old hard drive. While the computer wasn't savable, the hard drive might be. He's going to try and make it a slave in the new one. He recovered four gig of info and put it on a dvd (which I can't play here at work so I'm not sure if everything was recovered or not). I'm a happy girl.
Mom and Grandma gave me halloween candy for the kids. I didn't want to take it. They insisted. Now I have like 5 bags of candy. I live in the middle of nowhere. It's literally miles to another house from my complex. There's 3 kids there. Probably bring it to class with me.
I swear I'm considering writing a story just to be spiteful to a couple of readers who can't figure out that I'm not primarily a B/A writer and insist on bashing any character that has a thought besides B/A when I'm writing them.
Questions for you all.
1. Okay this one is strange but is Illyria's outfit part of her or is it actual clothing. I thought she just appeared with it on.
2. This is for my Spuffy friends. I've seen various ways of working around B/A's problems but how is Girl in Question handled by Spuffy writers? I'm just curious what they tend to make (or not make) of Spike saying he knows Buffy doesn't love or want him. (really this has to be the worst episode ever)
3. Given the season I've been thinking about the Halloween episode of Buffy. Is it me or does Ethan's words to Giles seem to indicate there might be more wicked doings outside of Eyghon? Has anyone ever speculated on that?
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Date: 2005-10-17 06:40 pm (UTC)Illyria actually changed her clothes. She wakes up in Fred's clothes, and goes to W&H to the sarcophagus and touches it and it changes her clothes into that leather outfit.
I got the impression Giles and Ethan's university group did all sorts of bad mojo just for kicks.
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Date: 2005-10-17 06:52 pm (UTC)thanks, that's what I needed to know about Illyria. Basically I wasn't sure if that was skin or magic or what.
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Date: 2005-10-17 07:04 pm (UTC)No nanowrimo for me again this year. It would be an interesting challenge, seeing as my preference is for piddling around with one novel for ten years, as opposed to multiple stories or one novel in a month.
But TD and Season 6 take up all my writing time, which isn't a lot.
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Date: 2005-10-17 10:19 pm (UTC)Nanowrimo does force you to do something different that's for sure
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Date: 2005-10-17 11:05 pm (UTC)I think I need to do more reading.
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Date: 2005-10-18 04:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-17 06:53 pm (UTC)I wonder if the initials could possibly be QB? I love reading your FF.net reviews, you always get the pissiest reviews. I love your story but...Who the hell do these people think they are?
Anyway, as far as question 1, Illyria makes the outfit appear - it seems to grow on her, so I would say a part of her.
2. I'm pretty much the anti-Spuffy (big surprise there), but I would think people would go with that's just Spike's insecurities raising it's head and she does love him. (Persoanlly, I think he's absolutely correct.)
3. I think you should speculate.
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Date: 2005-10-17 06:56 pm (UTC)Don't I though? You guess right. Hmmm thinking making something B/A up to the end when it's B/A/S
I think you might be right about Spike. I'm more with you. (At this point I think she doesn't love either or loves both, it changes)
I could speculate. Some day.
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Date: 2005-10-17 07:06 pm (UTC)However, I still prefer Angel with Darla and Buffy with no one in particular.
; ) ; )
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Date: 2005-10-17 07:21 pm (UTC)I have gained an appreciate for Angel/Darla thanks to you know who
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Date: 2005-10-18 04:55 pm (UTC)Ignoring the Spuffy factor
Date: 2005-10-17 07:05 pm (UTC)There's some competition - Soul Purpose, Disharmony, and the world war II one were just ugh.
But I hate The Girl In Question for taking away from what could have been a three episode plot arc to end the series.
And it also completely ignored Angel moving onto Cordelia. 'You're Welcome' ring any bells Joss?
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Date: 2005-10-17 07:23 pm (UTC)Re: Ignoring the Spuffy factor
Date: 2005-10-17 07:44 pm (UTC)Re: Ignoring the Spuffy factor
Date: 2005-10-17 10:12 pm (UTC)THIS is my feelings too. And I've used various ways of pointing out the stupidity of listening to him
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Date: 2005-10-18 08:19 am (UTC)That's easy, do what I do. Have Giles use him to leak information to the outside world that Giles wants leaking. Have Giles have him believing he's actually useful, but have others always watching over him.
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Date: 2005-10-17 07:42 pm (UTC)Spite can be a very powerful thing.
You have written a whole lot of different stuff, and it's a whole lot less fun when dopey readers can't get beyond one trick...
1. Actually - I thought Illyria was naked the first time she appeared. Her outfit was something she created. You can have her wearing anything you like... especially if it's humorously incongrous. That would be neat.
2. In S5, Spike stops running after her... which is a big breakthrough for him from a developmental perspective. If one wrote a future romance (and a happy one rather than "Buffy is settling" angst) between them, presumably it would have to require Buffy to be pursuing him and some "cookie speech" type affirming that he is what she really wants more than anything else. Or at least, I think that's something Spike would need to hear (and probably frequently) to have a relationship with her and to also not be completely riven with insecurity.
3. I'm sure there's lots of Giles/Ethan fanfic out there with much speculation. I imagine there was much hoodlummery they were involved in. Although, I do think nothing would have had consequences to the degree of Eyghon.
Actually - in a lot of ways I've always thought Giles relationship with Ethan was probably somewhat similar to Angel(us) and Darla... Or at least - I see a lot of parallels. Save that Giles had other, more important relationships than Ethan (such as his family) whereas Angel didn't have strong ties.
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Date: 2005-10-17 10:15 pm (UTC)Spike being insecure seems to be the #1 way of spinning it.
I'm sure there are but I find mostly nothing but slash sex which is far less interesting to me than things they could have done with their pants up.
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Date: 2005-10-17 10:23 pm (UTC)The challenge being that it's sort of hard (at least for me) to read her behavior towards him as more about love than ambivalence. Possibly, another avenue is that she didn't really want him then but wants him Now. Sort of a "starting over" story.
As for stuff with Giles and Ethan, it wouldn't surprise me... that the people most interested in writing the two characters during that time frame would coincide with the subset of viewers who want to slash them - but who might not go deeply beyond the slash. So you might have to do a lot of the work generating stuff yourself.
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Date: 2005-10-17 10:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-17 07:57 pm (UTC)Answers:
1) Illyria kind of grew her outfit. She went to the lab, stripped off Fred's dress, held her hand over the sarcophagus and her armor appeared.
3) I could definitely see Ethan and Ripper having gotten up to more than raising Eyghon when they were young. He was just the most destructive.
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Date: 2005-10-17 10:09 pm (UTC)and I'm with you, Ethan and Ripper had to have done more bad things
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Date: 2005-10-17 08:09 pm (UTC)Re: TGiQ: I'll weigh in as a Spuffy lover: Total. Utter. Crap. Listen, the only reason Spike "gives up" on Buffy in AtS S5 is that it's impossible to sustain his longing for a character not on the show. His proclaiming that he doesn't want to go to Buffy at the end of "Harm's Way" is awkward and stupid, made to fit the fact that if Spike goes after Buffy, he's off the show! The only logic that exists for the decision is Spike's deep-seated insecurity that she never really loved him. He doesn't go to Rome right away because he doesn't want to have her stammer out an "Er, yeah, I just said I loved you because you were about to throw yourself on the altar of big flamey sacrifice." So he stays a) because he has to and b) because he fears destroying the dream that she did care. Despite the fact that she makes that very clear in "Touched," he's vulnerable, he's been kicked around and abused -- obviously, he's got "issues" (as Clem would say). All of this leads to TGiQ: him saying she doesn't want him is the equivalent of everything else he's been projecting in S5 as far as Buffy is concerned -- he's scared to hell that none of it was real and may be in self-preservation mode. He can *say* it meant nothing, but that's obviously cosmetic, as is the ludicrous "here I am, moving on" motif of the end of the ep. The difference is that Angel then proceeds to move on with Nina, and Spike goes nowhere. Of the two of them, it's Spike stuck in the Buffy quicksand: he can say it's over and that she never cared because that allows him to get through everyday. Doesn't make it *real*...
Er, so, yeah, that's what I think. ;)
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Date: 2005-10-17 08:51 pm (UTC)Truth is, they did piss poor jobs on resolving any of those relationships.
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Date: 2005-10-17 09:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-17 09:58 pm (UTC)When he's resurrected in LA, Spike starts out desperate to get to Buffy, not because he thinks she loves him, but because he loves her, and I think he does believe that she finds him a useful shoulder to cry on, at least. And at that point, he's willing to settle, although I think it's fairly clear that he'd still like more.
But he has weeks, maybe months of ghosthood to endure. And Angel takes every opportunity to pick at his doubts--and you notice that never once in "Destiny" does Spike claim that Buffy loves him better than Angel, or indeed, claim that she loves him at all. (Ironically, Angel's great fear is that Buffy really does care for Spike.) Spike grows less and less certain. And at the same time, something else is happening: he's realizing what it's like to work with people who, for the most part, accept him as an equal--as a champion, even. He makes friends with Fred and Gunn. He takes up his prickly old family feud with Angel--they don't like each other, but deep, deep, down, they love each other. And he's having fun, in a weird way--enjoying himself as he hasn't in years.
And then he gets solidified, and all of a sudden he has a choice: stay in L.A. or go to see Buffy. Who, he's certain, doesn't really love him, whose friends at best tolerate him and at worst hate him, who's got a new life in which he's pretty sure he'll be an imposition. He can either keep that beautiful memory of Buffy telling him she loves him while he goes out in a blaze of glory, or he can show up on her doorstep, penniless and at loose ends, and cringe while she says, "Spike. You're alive. How...nice."
So for the first time in his life, Spike is an emotional coward. As long as he stays away from Buffy, he doesn't have to risk being proven right. But it's not just that. He's no longer willing to settle. Buffy will never, he thinks, be able to give him what he wants in a relationship. And rather than hang around her and be unhappy, from the moment he decides not to go to Rome, though he doesn't realize it himself, he's starting to move on.
When there's a suggestion in TGIQ that Buffy may be in danger, he's more than willing to go see her. But he's still nerving himself for what he's sure will be a lukewarm reception. If you watch his face when Andrew says that Buffy loves them both, you can see Spike just sort of light up in wonder--but he's still too scared to give her a phone call and confirm or deny Andrew's statements.
As for what Buffy really feels, only Buffy can answer that. All we have is Andrew's take on the matter--which may or may not be influenced by his loyalty to Giles, who certainly would be happier if Buffy never saw either vampire ever again. But personally, I like to think that at the end, Buffy respected Spike, and the sacrifice he was making, and the bonds of loyalty and friendship which also exist between them enough not to lie to him. If Spike had lived, she might have gotten cold feet the next morning, because I think the idea of being emotionally vulnerable to anyone again scares the hell out of her. But at that minute, there in the Hellmouth, I think she meant exactly what she said.
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Date: 2005-10-17 10:25 pm (UTC)Buffy respected Spike, and the sacrifice he was making, and the bonds of loyalty and friendship which also exist between them enough not to lie to him. If Spike had lived, she might have gotten cold feet the next morning, because I think the idea of being emotionally vulnerable to anyone again scares the hell out of her. But at that minute, there in the Hellmouth, I think she meant exactly what she said.
I'd like to think this as well. Also to me, Buffy assumed she would die and wanted to feel loved if she had to meet her end
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Date: 2005-10-17 11:24 pm (UTC)Re: Personally..
Date: 2005-10-18 04:09 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-18 04:19 pm (UTC)See I hate humor that requires the humilation of others which is all TGIQ was to me so I couldn't even force myself to look at it for more than a few minutes
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Date: 2005-10-18 01:27 am (UTC)Also, have to say I am definitely in the minority of the fandom here, b/c I LOVE TGIQ. (of course I would: non-'shipper, here.) The sight of my two darling boys racing around Rome after a demon's head all the while losing theirs to their (former) flame still has me LMFAO. Doesn't matter if it's 1894 or 2004, The Immortal knows just how to get at our boys -through their women!!
And, to see The Scourge of Europe and his protege (although some fanfic writers refer to the entire Fang Four as The Scourge), Wm. T. Bloody, reduced to farce...just delightful.
I do think Joss should've scheduled the episode earlier -- maybe around You're Welcome or Soul Purpose, but I accept that they delayed it trying to see if SMG would agree to do a guest shot.
Illyria's costume --- she made it in Shells, and told Wesley in TGIQ that she appears as she chooses.
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Date: 2005-10-18 08:41 am (UTC)and yay on the new computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! post pics of it!!! *grin*
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Date: 2005-10-18 04:42 pm (UTC)I don't know if they think I'm a B/A writer primarily but seem to assume that if I have Buffy and Angel in a story then it must be B/A